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image by Miles Li, 26 August 2014
The pole is red, with a ball finial (presumably white bronze, according to
the official drawing), but no pike at the base.
[Note that for this series the proportions and dimensions are stated as
length x width, as per official regulation, not the Western practice of width x
length.]
Miles Li, 14 August 2014
I would say that giving full dimensions as length x width is pretty universal.
Does anyone have a counter example of a culture where this is done differently?
Ratios on the other hand I'm less sure about; Would they always be smallest :
largest, or hoist : fly?
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 01 September 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 26 August 2014
Dimensions: 95cm x 83.1cm. The name of the unit is written in black on
a white strip, 9cm x 60cm, next to the hoist. Above the flag is a
small triangular flag, 22cm (base) x 22cm (hoist), yellow with the
letter 'jun' (corps) in red. The pole is red, 230cm long in total,
12cm circumference, with a white bronze spearhead finial 20cm long and
a white bronze pike base 15cm long.
Miles Li, 15 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 26 August 2014
Dimensions: 90cm x 78.8cm. The name of the unit is written in black on
a white strip, 9cm x 58cm, next to the hoist. Above the flag is a
small triangular flag, 21cm (base) x 21cm (hoist), yellow with the
letter 'shi' (division) in red. The pole is red, 230cm long in total,
12cm circumference, with a white bronze spearhead finial 20cm long and
a white bronze pike base 15cm long.
Miles Li, 15 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 26 August 2014
Dimensions: 85cm x 74.4cm. The name of the unit is written in black on
a white strip, 9cm x 58cm, next to the hoist. Above the flag is a
small triangular flag, 20cm (base) x 20cm (hoist), yellow with the
letter 'lü' (brigade) in red. The pole is red, 230cm long in total,
12cm circumference, with a white bronze spearhead finial 20cm long and
a white bronze pike base 15cm long.
Miles Li, 15 August 2014
Is this right: Almost all the dimensions keep getting smaller, but the white
strip on the brigade flag is the same dimensions as on the division flag? I
wonder why.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 15 August 2014
complied by
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 20 August 2014 based on
images by Akira Oyo and Miles Li
These three flags are the same , except for there size: Each smaller unit has
a flag with slightly smaller dimensions. From Corps to Division, this is also
true for the size of the white strip. From Division to Brigade, however, the
strip keeps the same size (according to these values). I wonder why.
I have difficulty to recognise this in the gifs, as in each the resolution is
different: The images are all the same height, of course, but they represent
flags of different height. So I tried to make a set of flags of the same
resolution by rescaling. (I used the triangular flags for the
scaling, as we know its 54 pixels height/width had to be 22cm, 21cm, and 20cm.)
If not for anything else, the image could serve to demonstrate the differences
in height.
But since the resolution should be the same for each flag, here, the white
strips of Division and Brigade should also be the same size. It doesn't look
like the picture shows them the same, though, so could someone check where
things went wrong?
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 20 August 2014
It is true that I took some liberty regarding the sizes of the small flags,
strips, etc. when drawing my images. I will correct these images once I finish
the series in a few days' time. The question is should I redraw them according
to the relative sizes of the flags, or should the flags all be 216px wide as per
FOTW standard?
Miles Li, 21 August 2014
In my opinion, it's better for all images (NOT flags) to be 216px wide and
all flags according to the relative sizes.
Akira Oyo, 21 August 2014
As it has been pointed out, some of the images I have drawn recently are not
precise - indeed I have taken some liberty regarding the the dimensions of the
small flags, strips, etc. when drawing the images. There are also a couple of
different suggestions as to the preferred sizes of the images themselves...
since I have only a couple more posts before this series is done with, for the
sake of image uniformity I will post the rest of the images 'as is'; after that
I will get into the task of correcting / improving / refining theimages
concerned.
Miles Li, 21 August 2014
But then the question becomes: In this specific case, do the smaller two
models really have strips of the same size, or is that a typo?
Draw the images with the flags at 216, I would say. You could do a series image
like the one I did to give an impression of relative sizes.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 21 August 2014
I did the same set again, though without the poles as they weren't in the pictures this time. Indeed, this time the strips of the Division and the brigade are almost equal in size (not exactly, but that may be caused by rounding the centimetres of the flag heights to whole pixels.)
Three unit flag drawings scaled and combined:
complied by
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 03 October 2014 based on
images by Akira Oyo and Miles Li
Same, but with poles:
complied by
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 03 October 2014 based on
images by Akira Oyo and Miles Li
Now that it appears this is the intention, I come back to the original question:
Why would these two have stripes of the same width?
I also reconstructed the pole from the measurements and the imagery in the
previous images, to have a look of how large these flags were. I have assumed
that the "white bronze pike 15cm long", which is mentioned after the finial, is
the bottom end of the pole. To give a sense of scale: The top edge of the middle
size (Brigade) flag is approximately at 1.85 cm. Note that since the poles are
all the same size, for the large size flags, the larger top flags actually push
down the main flag a bit.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 03 October 2014
The following flags were basically the
same as those from 1953 to 1962, except that these were in the
waffenfarbe of the unit:
Infantry - red
Cavalry - yellow
Artillery - blue, with 2cm white frame around the KMT flag at the centre
Engineers (and Motorized Troops) - white
Signals - light grey
Logistics - black
Military Police - light red (i.e. pink)
Miles Li, 15 August 2014
Infantry Regiment
image by Miles Li, 27 August 2014
Infantry Regiment, fringed variant
image by Miles Li, 27 August 2014
image by Miles Li, 28 August 2014
Cavalry Regiment, fringed variant
image by Miles Li, 28 August 2014
Dimensions: 80cm x 70cm. The name of the unit is written in black on a white strip, 9cm x 58cm, next to the hoist. Above the flag is a red tassel, 20cm long. The pole is red, 210cm long in total, 12cm circumference, with a white bronze spearhead finial 20cm long and a white bronze pike base 15cm long.
The official specification stipulated that infantry and cavalry
regimental flags should be presented by the Military Commission,
whereas that of the other army flags should be procured by the unit
chiefs themselves. Somewhat confusingly, the official specification
also stated that infantry and cavalry regimental flags "when presented
from above" should have 12cm yellow fringe, implying some infantry and
cavalry regimental flags did not have fringes. I have created both
versions here.
Miles Li, 15 August 2014
Artillery Regiment
image by Miles Li, 28 August 2014
Engineer (and Motorized Troops) Regiment
image by Miles Li, 28 August 2014
Motorized Troops (交通, 'Communications' in old-fashioned English translation)
was originally a catch-all technical branch dealing with military signals,
motorized and mechanized warfare, as well as some armored trains. Throughout the
1930s most of these functions were spin-off into separate branches, and what
remained of Communications became essentially motorized troops.
Miles Li, 16 August 2014
Signals Regiment
image by Miles Li, 28 August 2014
Military Police Regiment
image by Miles Li, 29 August 2014
Infantry Battalion
image by Miles Li, 27 August 2014
Battalion: Dimensions: 75cm x 65.6cm. The name of the unit is written in black on
a white strip, 8cm x 58cm, next to the hoist. Above the flag is a red
tassel, 17cm long. The pole is red, 200cm long in total, 10cm
circumference, with a white iron spearhead finial 17cm long and a
white iron pike base 14cm long.
Miles Li, 15 August 2014
Infantry Company
image by Miles Li, 27 August 2014
Company:
Dimensions: 70cm x 61cm. The name of the unit is written
in black on a white strip, 7cm x 54.3cm, next to the hoist. Above the
flag is a red tassel, 17cm long. The pole is red, 200cm long in total,
10cm circumference, with a white iron spearhead finial 17cm long and a
white iron pike base 14cm long.
Miles Li, 15 August 2014
In 1937 Armored Troops became a separate branch within the Chinese Army. Its
flags were the same as those of other branches adopted in 1935, but with the
waffenfarbe of silver grey.
(On Akira Oyo's original Wiki drawing the silver grey is a very light shade of
grey. I have to respectfully disagree with him, since all the waffenfarbe charts
regarding the late 1930s Chinese Army available on the internet show Armored
Troops with a darker shade of grey than the light grey of Signals.)
Miles Li, 16 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 29 August 2014
The name (not in the correct calligraphic style on this image) 'Army Armored
Troops Brigade' is written in black on the white strip next to the host.
Miles Li, 16 August 2014
image by Miles Li, 29 August 2014
image by Miles Li, 29 August 2014
image by Miles Li, 29 August 2014
Specialist troops, not being branches of their own, did not use flags with a
waffenfarbe. Instead they used infantry-type flags (without fringe), each with a
small square flag above bearing an insignia of some sort.
Dimensions: Correspond to the flag for units of equivalent size. It is a
square flag (16cm x 16cm), white with the letter 'pao' (cannon), 'ji' (machine),
'po' (close-in), 'te' (special) or 'jiao' (education) in red at the centre.
Miles Li, 18 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 30 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 30 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 30 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 30 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 30 August 2014
image by Miles Li, 31 August 2014
Dimensions: Correspond to the flag for units of equivalent size. Above it is
a square flag (16cm x 16cm), green with a red cross at the centre.
Miles Li, 19 August 2014
image by Miles Li, 31 August 2014
Dimensions: Correspond to the flag for units of equivalent size. Above
it is a square flag (16cm x 16cm), blue with a white sun at the
centre.
Miles Li, 19 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 31 August 2014
Dimensions: Correspond to the flag for units of equivalent size. Above
it is a square flag (16cm x 16cm), black with the letter 'zhan'
(depot) at the centre.
Miles Li, 19 August 2014
Here the official specification is somewhat confusing. As mentioned earlier,
the Transport branch (輜重) were to use flags distinguished by black waffenfarbe.
However the specification also mentioned the Transportation Troops (運輸部隊) -
considered specialist troops rather than a branch - which were to use the same
black flag design, but with a small square flag above bearing a letter.
Miles Li, 19 August 2014
image by Miles Li, 31 August 2014
Dimensions: Correspond to the flag for units of equivalent size.
Miles Li, 19 August 2014
image by Akira Oyo and Miles Li, 31 August 2014
Dimensions: Correspond to the flag for units of equivalent size. Above
it is a square flag (16cm x 16cm), white with the letter 'yun'
(transport) in red at the centre.
Miles Li, 19 August 2014